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October 14, 2022	Good article nominee	Listed

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GA concerns

I am concerned that this article no longer meets the good article criteria. Some of my concerns are listed below:

There is uncited text thoughout the article, including entire paragraphs.
At over 9,000 words, WP:TOOBIG states that information could possibly be spun out or summarised more effectively.
There are a lot of sources listed in the Further reading section. Can some of these be used as inline citations, or should be removed from the article?

Is anyone interested in addressing the above, or should this go to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 20:30, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Z1720: Thanks for bringing this up. I agree that Further reading should be condensed (possibly something similar could be done with the "Band members" subsection). The length of the article did come up during the GAN iirc. What would be your suggested word count target? Best, Caleb Stanford (talk) 01:45, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Caleb Stanford: Generally, I try for under 9,000, but I also think that articles should be summarised as much as possible by using as few words as possible to describe ideas, avoiding adverbs, limiting block quotes and avoiding too much detail. I would rather that an editor read through and improve the entire article rather than stopping once the 9,000 word limit is reached. Z1720 (talk) 01:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lead edits (November 2024)

@Tbf62: Thanks for your edit. Just to explain my thinking a bit and see if we can come to a consensus. My feeling is that the lead right now reads like a huge list of names (compare one of those Bible chapters of Joe begat Fred who begat Jane who begat.... :P). Per WP:SUMMARYSTYLE, it should summarize the most important points in the article; if someone comes here who has never heard of Yes, they are probably looking for a summary of the band's main achievements and history, not a long laundry list of names.

In terms of specific things, I get wanting to mention Moraz, but he was ultimately with the group for only one album, and receives relatively less coverage in the article (mentioned only three times, and we don't mention Oliver Wakeman and Benoit David in the lead). Horn and Downes are worth mentioning, but I tried to edit it so they are only mentioned once. I think the fact Wakeman left for two years is broadly not notable for the purposes of the lead which is already quite long.

The other goal I had was to get the paragraph of history since 2009 as short as possible (as it's relatively less notable compared to the more successful 1970s history), which I hope that I've done a reasonable good job of. I could be convinced of removing the mention of Yes featuring ARW also (since they never released an album). It's all a judgment call as to what's most important to mention in the lead here -- I'm increasingly thinking it should say more about history, musical style, etc. and less about specific lineup changes.

Your thoughts would be welcome, thanks! Caleb Stanford (talk) 21:32, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for addressing my last edit. I understand, and mostly agree, with your feelings about the lead. I just felt that while Moraz' time with Yes was short-lived, his contribution to Relayer was crucial, and that is one of Yes' most acclaimed albums, so I felt he at least deserved a mention. But if you and other editors feel it isn't necessary, then I am happy to leave it (no pun intended), as I have no wish to start an edit war. Tbf62 (talk) 22:04, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]