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FlightTime, could you please explain the reason behind stonewalling an update on a 14-year old picture of Moore to a recent, high-quality image? Per WP:BRD, if you are reverting, there must be a strong reason for it, and not for the sake of it, or else, no article on Wikipedia could ever be improved/updated. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 06:38, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not disputing the image, I'm disputing the process, changing an Infobox image without discussion is not how things are done around here, especially on a high profile article. - FlightTime (open channel)14:40, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not that I know of. However, image changes in high-profile BLPs are often reverted but it's usually because the image is changed to a subpar one for the sake of newness. That's not the case here so I honestly don't get starting a discussion just for the sake of it. The new image is properly licensed and high-quality. We're lucky that the author has made it available for use. FrB.TG (talk) 18:02, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I made a reasonable, well-explained edit to the lead here. Another editor reverted my edit, calling it "unsourced personal opinion" (which is categorically wrong). So I re-edited, this time backing it up with evidence that's already cited in the reflist, here. Are we good? Was-a-singin (talk) 08:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speaking of the ref you cite, the Portsmouth Daily Times (a small-scale newspaper) speaks of her rising stardom, which is fair by the late 1980s, but it's Ghost that put her on the world map, as multiple, better sources can attest, such as The Washington Post and Variety stating that "her career exploded in the 1990s" primarily due to Ghost. Also, the lead is not an unending listing of credits, but a summary of the most notable and important parts of her career, which her poorly received indies of the late 90s and early 00s are not. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 08:52, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've followed her career, so I consider myself somewhat of an expert in this area. That you'd even contest my rewrite is splitting hairs IMHO, but I'll play ball and try to address each of the points you've brought up:
The cited ref is an Associated Press dispatch, so the regional paper that carried it is irrelevant; obviously that piece is from the pre-internet era so whatever syndicate the Google News Archive had on file got selected. The AP is national.
The term "breakthrough" implies she was a no-mark before Ghost, and that definitely wasn't the case. Once again, she was the sole name above the title in The Seventh Sign's ad campaign (the poster can be viewed right here on Wiki). It goes without saying that sole above-the-title billing in a wide theatrical release is indicative of star status.
Acknowledging Passion of Mind and Flawless in the lead balances out what is otherwise undue weight given to Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle (an extended cameo that functionally was a publicity fix rather than a career highlight), Bobby (IIRC she had 4 scenes?), Mr. Brooks (supporting part in a so-so film), and Margin Call (which she was barely in).....and if you want to go down the rabbit hole and get an organic perspective, check out Amazon reviews for the 2 formermost titles. A lot of fans opine that those films are Moore's most prestigious showcases. I can go without including Blind, Empire and Brave New World in the lead, but Passion of Mind and Flawless deserve a shout-out. The fact a voiceover in The Hunchback of Notre Dame gets a mention at their expense is laughable.
The current lead version does not say Ghost was her breakthrough. Also, our personal opinions, including your opinions of the "quality" of films are irrelevant. If you're such an expert on Moore, I'd suggest writing a book on her. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 06:29, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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