Talk:Mortar (weapon)

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"Light" Coehorn and éprouvette

Hello PaulinSaudi (talk · contribs). I took note of the category for a Coehorn mortar. The description as "light weight" is subjective of course. However my impression of historical Coehorns is it they are anything but light. Perhaps a more specific adjective would work.

There is another error in the category éprouvette. The article on the subject implies it was only ever a device for testing gunpowder. In fact, The term éprouvette was first used for a device to test swords. It also applies to other test devices. Doing something about that incorrect assumption is on my to do list but it may be a long time before it percolate to the top. Before it gets there I've got to do something about the misappropriation of the word flechette. Humphrey Tribble (talk) 21:43, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Angle

The article says: "The barrel is generally set at an angle of between 45 and 85 degrees (800 to 1500 mils), with the higher angle producing a shorter horizontal trajectory." How can this be true? Surely a higher angle is going to fire higher into the air (but provide shorter range). To obtain a more horizontal trajectory, the barrel would need to be more horizontal. FreeFlow99 (talk) 17:10, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No. "shorter horizontal trajectory" means it travels less distance laterally. You're getting confused.

Surely a higher angle is going to fire higher into the air (but provide shorter range).

<- This is correct and is exactly what the article says.

The break-point is 45 deg. Below 45 as you raise the barrell, it will shoot further until you hit 45 then it will not shoot as far. After 45, the higher you lift the barrel, the shorter the distance you shoot. (the converse is also true) BoonDock (talk) 17:57, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Near silent

The article states "A near-silent mortar can operate using the spigot principle. Each round has a close-fitting sliding plug in the tube that fits over the spigot. When the round is fired, the projectile is pushed off the spigot, but before the plug clears the spigot it is caught by a constriction at the base of the tube. This traps the gases from the propelling charge and hence the sound of the firing." How can this work? Surely the 'plug' has to have a hole to admit the spigot. When the projectile leaves the spigot the propelling gasses will surely escape through this hole? FreeFlow99 (talk) 17:20, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Someone will have to draw you a picture to explain it. Trust me, it works. ;-) BoonDock (talk) 17:58, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Bomb" is only the technical term in some countries

The article reads "Mortars launch explosive shells (technically called bombs)". This is only correct for the UK and some other English-speaking countries that followed Britain's lead. Despite the Oxford Dictionary of English citation that "bombs" is the technical term, in the USA and some other English-speaking countries, the terms "projectile", "round", and "shell" are used but not "bomb". See for example the US Army "Mortars" training circular of March 2017 at https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/ARN36911-TC_3-22.90-001-WEB-3.pdf. This uses "projectile", "round", and "shell" in various places but does not use "bomb" at all. Johnmastell (talk) 13:05, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This doesn't make sense.

The mortar had fallen out of general use in Europe by the Napoleonic era, although Manby Mortars were widely used on the coast to launch lines to ships in distress, and interest in their use as a weapon was not revived until the beginning of the 20th century. Mortars were heavily used by both sides during the American Civil War.

Napoleonic era -- ~1800-1814 American Civil War 1861-1865 Beginning of 20th century - 1900

If they fell out of use by 1814 and back in use after 1900, then how are they heavily used in the American Civil War? . Jim . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 13:45, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"In Europe" vs America? (Hohum ^@) 15:11, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Granatawerfer" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Granatawerfer has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 5 § Granatawerfer until a consensus is reached. cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 17:16, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]